mike01s4's Audi fitment Diverter Valve Testing:
by Mike Shimon (VAST Performance)
All tests were done off the vehicle.
Diverter Valves tested:
1. Stock Audi S4 turbo diverter valve: Bosch 108 pn: 0280142108 (audi
pn: 034145710A)
2. Forge diverter valve with aluminum piston, soft green spring, and
updated o-rings
3. Bosch 110 pn: 0280142110
4. Bosch 114 pn: 0280142114 (Audi pn: 06A145710N)
Some purposes of test:
1. analyze the piston displacement (travel) versus vacuum pressure
2. analyze if flow rates differed between valves
3. determine the pros and cons of each valve
Some test equipment:
1. Linear transducer accurate down to 0.0001 inches. % FSO error unknown.
2. Rigid clamping fixture for securing DV and measuring piston displacement
3. Vacuum pump with analog mechanical vacuum gauge. Accurate to +/- 0.25 in Hg.
4. stopwatch
5. graduated cylinder (20 fl. oz)
6. varied pressure constant fed water source
To obtain the data for displacement(piston travel)
versus vacuum pressure, I applied a vacuum in a slow
fashion in ~0.5 in. Hg steps. The vacuum pressure was
increased until the piston would not travel any
further. I also noted whether or not the valves stuck,
or had an inconsistent pull, or leaked. I took two to
three trials for each valve, and the measurements were
quite repeatable. I obviously could not simulate the
ON-vehicle pressure fluctuations and measure
displacement.
The forge valve needs the most amount of volume
displaced in order for the piston displacement to
achieve a full open state. This is a point where the
Bosch bellows style diaphragm design is superior. I am
making an educated guess that the Bosch will respond
quicker to opening due to this fact, albeit, it will
probably be only milliseconds faster. Also, it looks
as if the 110/710N will take a longer time to open,
but, just because it comes open a few in. of Hg later,
the typical vacuum pressure developed can be ten times
this difference. So there should be no worries with a
slow response time with any of these Bosch valves.
One thing that I could not check, is the reaction time
for the valve to close after a full open state. But,
since the spring rates are now apparent for each
valve, all other things equal with the Bosch's, you
can see that the 110 and 710N will close the fastest.
The forge's closure rate will not only depend on the
spring rate, but also the grease used and temperature.
With insight from this plot, the forge will close the
slowest, then the stock 108 is a bit faster, then the
110 and 710N are the fastest.
Between the 110 and the 710N, you can see that they
are exactly alike. Unless Bosch changed the materials
used in fabrication for the diaphragm, these valves
are totally equal. I did not destroy the valves to
inspect the differences since I was using other
people's parts and it would cost around ~$50 to do so.
I also checked the ability to open under a cold test
of 20 degrees Fahrenheit. The Bosch valves would
stick, but only occured once, and only once, on an
initial applied vacuum. So, cold runs in the vehicle
should never even be a problem. The forge did not
stick. I did not know what the relative humidity was
when I did this.
As far as diaphragm or piston leakages are concerned.
None of the Bosch valves leaked. How they perform
after many cycles in an engine's environment, I could
not say, but they will not leak unless the diaphragm
tears or if the housing cracks. It is very easy to
check leakage. All that is needed is an applied vacuum
and a little time spent on looking to see if the
vacuum drops with time.
On the other hand, the forge will leak if not sealed
properly or contaminated by debris. From the opened
valve picture, you can see where the Forge can leak.
All that is needed is a cleaning and a slight medium
to heavy weight grease to seal this. With the Forge, I
noticed anything from a near perfect seal, to a low of
~1 psi loss per every 5 seconds and then much worse as
a small particle contaminated this seal.
On to the flow rate tests, I found that the bosch and
the forges still have the same flow rates while
testing with a complete inner fill of water flow. With
the valves completely opened, each valve could fill 20
fl. oz in approximately 8 seconds. Of course, even as
I put restrictions on each valve, maintaining the same
inlet pressure, each valve still achieved the 8 second
value, obviously with a greater exit speed.

Summary
| FORGE: |
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Pros:
can maintain it at any time
can replace spring with a higher rate
virtually a lifetime part
smooth/open air flow path when compared to bosch,
BUT, still has the same flow rate up to a typical
working pressure
comes with viton O-rings which have superior
temperature and wear characteristics
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Cons:
price
fitment, due to larger size, is not as good as
bosch(the passenger side vacuum hose can easily kink
if not installed carefully)
slower response time
can have an inconsistent piston travel if not lubed
properly or not maintained
possible sealing issues if not kept clean
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| BOSCH 108: |
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Pros:
price
slightly higher spring rate than forge
quick response time for opening
no fitment issues
no warranty issues
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Cons:
cannot inspect or service valve completely
possible problems noted with many users for diaphragm
tears
max piston travel, for its design, is not as large as
the 110/710N
air flow path not as smooth as forge, but still has
the same flow rate up to typical working pressures
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| BOSCH 110/710N: |
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Pros:
price
larger piston travel compared to stock
with a small bellows volume: quick response time for
piston pull
with a higher spring rate: quick response time for
piston closure
possibly more durable than stock
no fitment issues
no warranty issues
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Cons:
cannot inspect or service valve completely
air flow path not as smooth as forge, but still has
the same flow rate up to typical working pressures
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2/25/02
Update: 03/05/2002
This new graph includes the piston travel for
different spring rates with the forge DV. there are 3
springs: green(comes standard) = softest, yellow =
medium, and blue = stiffest. for all practical
purposes, you can see with the yellow spring that it
performs like the stock 108, and with the blue spring,
it performs like the 110 or (114)710N valve.
Basically, the downside with the stiffer springs in
the forges as compared to the bosch is that you are
slightly reducing the response time of the valve even
further. This is due to the fact that the bosch valve
needs a smaller volume of air displaced to pull its
piston open or force it closed.
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